[Act I] Is Abigail bad and guilty?

[Tlazolteotl]

And ... that's why I use axes.
'cos sometimes there are killings that gotta be done, and them monsters are not worthy of the time required to clean a sword.
Axe, a quick wipe on the ground will do .. and if it's way messy, just discard it.

[56236]

And ... that's why I use axes.
'cos sometimes there are killings that gotta be done, and them monsters are not worthy of the time required to clean a sword.
Axe, a quick wipe on the ground will do .. and if it's way messy, just discard it.

  I never actually looked at it that way. I try to be creative, but not that immersed. Nice

[Petra Silie]

Yes in the case of Order and Scoia'tael it's self defense but not with Gramps and Patrick de Weyze.

I disagree, Geralt is pushed into a fight with de Weyze if he chooses that path, which, but no means, nulls their contract.
Gramps, on the other hand, may be seen as a monster on the inside.

I hope you don't mind when I don't answer because I don't want the topic to drift away into OT.

[56236]

...de Weyze.....Gramps.....

I hope you don't mind when I don't answer because I don't want the topic to drift away into OT.

I guess you're right, but that didn't stop you b4 playin' the Lead?? Anyways, back OT...
Let's assume Abigail used Geralt as a shield for her own purpose... Does that make her Guilty for wanting to save her neck?
I mean, preservation of ones self is a right (even those days, hopefully; maybe not on parchment) and people would do anything...
yeah, anything, but wait around like Abigail did with Geralt. My word - it's just a NPC standing around and we think it means something symbolic.
Well, it's fun to discuss it.... points of view??

[Seeker]

Man how I love this topic been following it from day one 

You may also look at it this way

you have on one side a bunch of Villagers  all with  skeletons on there closet so to speak of.
Leaded by a  a Zealot priest who was not saint himself.

Now you have Abigail  one woman  hiding for her life who was being blamed  for all the hardship in the Village as well as the Beast.
And is far form a saint herself  and there only one person that can help her.

This would be a judgement call  on one part

both side are guilty  to a point  it more of a matter of who is more guilty the Villagers and the Zealot priest or Abigail

It more of a matter of the Lesser Evil

[The Silver]

It more of a matter of the Lesser Evil

If it comes to that, I vote, kill snowwhite. 

Personally, in the few runthroughs I have done, I've never felt comfortable leaving Abigail to the villagers wrath. I perfectly see that each side could be guilty and/or a combination of both. However, I also believe in situations affecting behaviour and numerous chances.

That means the next time, Abigail will burn 

P.s. Did anybody else think of The Crucible when hearing the name Abigail?

[game widow]

the Crucible was /exactly/ what came to mind the first time i played through, Silver 

[Petra Silie]

Personally, in the few runthroughs I have done, I've never felt comfortable leaving Abigail to the villagers wrath. I perfectly see that each side could be guilty and/or a combination of both. However, I also believe in situations affecting behaviour and numerous chances.

That means the next time, Abigail will burn 

Nevertheless... I will never let her burn because I don't like fanatics and mob law, especially when they have their skeleton in the closet... as Seeker says.

[Seeker]

Personally, in the few runthroughs I have done, I've never felt comfortable leaving Abigail to the villagers wrath. I perfectly see that each side could be guilty and/or a combination of both. However, I also believe in situations affecting behaviour and numerous chances.

That means the next time, Abigail will burn 

Nevertheless... I will never let her burn because I don't like fanatics and mob law, especially when they have their skeleton in the closet... as Seeker says.

I'm With Petra on this I will never let her burn as well 
for the same reasons  as well I dont like Zealot for the most part they get everyone killed but themselves .

[56236]

That means the next time, Abigail will burn 

Nevertheless... I will never let her burn because I don't like fanatics and mob law, especially when they have their skeleton in the closet... as Seeker says.

I'm With Petra on this I will never let her burn as well...for the same reasons  as well I dont like Zealot for the most part they get everyone killed but themselves .

The Only reason I'd let her burn is to see how it happens and check the consequences. Why would you do something over again that you know is wrong??
It's complete foolishness hidden as Nonsense...

[Seeker]

@ 56236
That is easy you forget one of the old unwritten rules of PRGing 
We put a bit of oneself into a char 

[Petra Silie]

Yes... call me stubborn but I can't stand hypocrisy and I don't like all against one discrepancy.
I know the consequences because I read it here... okay, okay, I didn't experienced it but I don't mind... in this case.

[56236]

OK, I have a silly question for someone who's played as much as me. But, I've also read soo much that I'm confused on this now.

Spoiler

The Beast was brought by evil deeds. Ok thus far.
There was suspicion of Abigail or the Villagers doing them. Still Ok.
The talk went by alternating Mikul, Odo & Haren - each had a story, but Haren's didn't involve Abigail as influence. Was that bogus?
I also don't believe these might have been enough evil deeds. I think The MOB were all evil, because:...
The Innkeeper mentioned that the Reverends words forced them to cleanse their homes of evil. As in: banish or kill even relatives?
So, Reverend also contributed with Carmen if I understand correctly.

Please, correct me if I'm wrong as I feel my head about to pop from my overloaded work and trying to concentrate on these intertwined series of event.

[game widow]

i see the same lead up as you do 56236 and i've played the game 30 times and tried every path combination i can think of 

[Enidehalas]

Hello everyone, i just went trough the 14 pages, and I just suscribed here today
I believe (correct me if i'm wrong) something was not said about the reverend and his outcasting of his own daughter :

In the epilogue...

Spoiler

...if Geralt has killed Vincent the werewolf, we find Carmen one last time at the safe house where she again calls the witcher a bastard for killing the only person she ever loved. She then reveals the story of how she became a Viziman ******. She was raped by Mikul and his fellow guards, which is how she got pregnant. That pregnancy caused her father, the Reverend, to throw her out onto the streets leaving her few options. She also refers to the Reverend as the "plowing Reverend", so there is even some suggestion of sexual abuse at the hands of her own father. If Geralt apologises for killing Vincent, she tells him that she may forgive him someday, but not today.

It brings also light on Mikul, as it makes the rape of Ilsa (even more) possible
Knowing that Mikul is under the Reverend's orders, and how close they are to each other, and how they threw out "filthy" people, he even might ASKED Mikul and his guards to rape her, to make her pregnent, and have an excuse for throwing her out.
Of course, he could also say "I raped my daughter, she is filthy" but he then would have lost all credibility and maybe got executed.

Also, that makes us believe the reverend might have done more than just beating Alvin in the closet, which is maybe why he is so messed up in the future...

Spoiler

and i'm not only talking about the Shani part where Geralt is drunk...but the REAL future if you know what I mean

What I (used to ?) believe is that the mob went out to seek Abigail, and that the beast feasted out their corpses... but how could the beasts / the Beast burn houses down ? Why would EVERYBODY go out ? AT NIGHT ? Why does the Grandmother still lives ? ><
Plus, at the end of Act IV, they talk about doing "another massacre like the outskirts". Might be more of a human's doing after all... Or Both, in an attempt to control everything, stop the beast and "burn the unclean", the Order tried to erase the village from the map.

I don't think the Beast would be Geralt's doing or conscequence, he was not from this region at all at first. When he arrived, the Beast roamed in the outskirts for a long time already.

And one last thing, people here said that Abigail seems like a nice person to take Alvin under her cover... but don't forget she is a witch. She can "smell" magic. And Alvin IS a source